John Hatch Jr

John HATCH, who settled here in 1769, made the original survey of the town, was proprietors' clerk before and after coming here, and served as a justice of the peace for many years. Mr. HATCH reared seven children, four of whom were sons. Asher graduated from Dartmouth college in 1779 and followed teaching all his life. The three other sons, Benjamin, Adrian and John, Jr., all settled in Norwich, but John, Jr., moved to Hardwick in 1809. Adrian resided on road 64, upon the farm now owned by Mrs. A. R. CRANDALL, and died here in 1838, aged eighty-one years. Amos, the second of Adrian's ten children, was born in 1785, married Parmelia NOBLE, reared eleven children, and died July 18, 1785, aged nearly ninety years. Only one of his children, Abel P., now resides here. Abel is a justice of the peace, having held the office ten years, and is engaged in the insurance business. rmont/WindsorNorwich.html

Sir William Hastings

1st Lord Hastings, Knight of the Garter, of Kirby Muxloe, Leicestershire of Allerston, Yorkshire, of Gissing, Norfolk and of Burton Hastings, Warwickshire. Sheriff of Warwickshire and leicestershire, Receiver General of the Duchy of Cornwall, Chamberlain of the Household for King Edward IV, Chamberlain of North Wales, Master of the King's Mints in the Tower of London, Steward of the Honors of Leicester and Tutbury, Constable of Donnington, Harlech, Higham Ferrers, Nottingham and Peak Castles, Joint Chief of Rockingham and Northampton Castle,, Chief Justice and Chamberlain of Merionethshire, Steward of Fotheringhay Castle, Lieutenant of Calais.

Son and heir to Sir Leonard Hastings of Kirby and Alice Camoys. Grandson of Sir Ralph Hastings and Maud St John, Sir Thomas Camoys and Elizabeth de Mortimer. William was born about 1431.

Second husband of Katherine de Neville, daughter of Sir Richard de Neville and Alice Montagu. They were married before 06 Feb 1462 and had four sons and two daughters:
* Sir Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings, married Mary Hungerford
* William, married Jane Sheffield
* Richard, died as an infant
* George, died as an infant
* Anne, wife of Sir George Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury
* Elizabeth.

William was a firm Yorkist and supporter of his distant cousin Edward Plantagenet Duke of York, who became King Edward IV, succeeding his father in service to the House of York. William was knighted on the field at Towton on 29 March 1461 by King Edward IV, and because of his great service was raised to the rank of Baron, becoming Lord Hastings, and received Hasting's honors Feb 1462.

Sir William was summoned to Parliament 1461 to 1482 as 'Willelmo Hastynges militi domino Hastynges.' In 1464 the king granted William the honors of Peverelle, Boulogne and Haighley, as well as the castle and manor of Huntingdon, and received an inn called "Nettelbedd" in St Nicholas, Calais as a gift from an uncle, Roger Camoys. In 1467 the king granted him various castles and manors including Folkingham, Lincolnshire. In 1471, he received licence from the king to convert his houses at Ashby la Zouche, Bagworth, Thornton and Kirby, Leicestershire and Slingesby, Yorskhire, all into castles, then in 1472, he and his brother, Ralph, had licence to found a gild in the church of St Gregory the Pope, Northampton.

William was present at the Battle of Mortimer's Cross 02 Feb 1461, the proclamation of Edward as king 04 March 1461, the Battle of Towton 29 March 1461, vested as a Knight of the Garter in 1462, at the Battle of Barnet 14 April 1471 and the Battle of Tewkesbury 04 May 1471.

Richard Neville, the Earl of Warwick, one of the greatest peers of the realm, gave Sir William in marriage his widowed sister, Katherine Neville Bonville, whose Yorkist husband had been slain at the Battle of Wakefield, After Warwick drove king Edward IV into exile in 1470, William accompanied Edward back the spring of 1471, raised troops for Edward for the battles of Barnet and Tewkesbury.

When the King Edward died, William was paramount in assisting the Queen to crown her son as King Edward V, thwarting, and angering Richard, the Duke of Gloucester, later King Richard III. Richard was assigned Lord Protector again, but at a council meeting at the Tower of London, 13 June 1483, Richard, along with his supporter, Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, accused William and other council members of conspiring against Richard's life. Jane Shore, William's mistress, who was also the mistress of Edward IV and Edward's step-son, Thomas Grey, had supposedly been a go-between, and spend a bit of time at Ludgate Prison. Sir William Hastings was beheaded on the spot.

While his execution brought public disfavor, Richard's bid for the crown, regardless of his conspiracy against Sir William, was successful.

Olaf the Mighty, Helgi Halfdansson

Records show Helgi as the father (Helgi Halfdansson) and Olaf as the mother and vice versa. Helgi is most times shown to be a male name, and honestly, the vision of a short but heavily muscles woman wearing a Viking hat and a terribly fierce expression is too much to resist, so I left it as is.

Some sources say Olaf, aka Ålov the Great, was married to a Saxon king, Geirthjof of Sachen, but had an affair with Helgi and produced Yrsa

"Heimskringla, History of the Kings of Norway, Ynglinga Saga, by Snorri Sturluson, Translated by Lee M. Hollander."

Sveyn I Forkbeard Haraldsson (Swein, Sweyn, Sven)

Sweyn Forkbeard's nickname, which was probably used during his lifetime, refers to a long, pitchfork-like moustache, a "tjuge" in Old Norse, not to a full beard. Such a moustache was fashionable at the time, particularly in England.

985 Became king in Jómsborg after a rebellion in his mid twenties.
986 Complete hold on Denmark after the death of his father, whom he killed, exiled for 14 years
993 Raided England to about 995
1000 Proclaimed king of Norway after the battle of Svolder (Svöld)
1003 Returned to England after his sister Gunhilda and her husband Pallig killed in Ethelred's St Brice's Day Massacre in St Frideswide's, the minster church of Oxford's foundress.
1005 Famine forced Svein to return home
1006 Svein returned to England, advanced to Berkshire Downs, totally unprotected Saxon territory
1007 Returned to Denmark with Ethelred's ransom of danegeld.
1013 August - Svein landed at Humber with his son, Canute, receiving immediate submission from Daneslaw and northern English, marched through Mercia to Oxford, Winchester and Wessex, but was unable to take London.  Once he returned to his base at Lindsey he learned Ethelred had fled to Normandy and took London Christmas Day.
Listed as a king with the shortest rule - 40 days.
1014 - Died following a fall from his horse, aged 54 o, died suddenly in the night in his bed.

First king to mint coins

Earl Sigvalde had taken King Svein prisoner, and carried him to Vindland, to Jomsborg, where he had forced him to make peace with Burizleif, the king of the Vinds, and to take him as the peace- maker between them. Earl Sigvalde was married to Astrid, a daughter of King Burizleif; and told King Svein that if he did not accept of his terms, he would deliver him into the hands of the Vinds. The king knew that they would torture him to death, and therefore agreed to accept the earl's mediation. The earl delivered this judgment between them -- that King Svein should marry Gunhild, King Burizleif's daughter; and King Burizleif again Thyre, a daughter of Harald, and King Svein's sister; but that each party should retain their own dominions, and there should be peace between the countries. Then King Svein returned home to Denmark with his wife Gunhild. Their sons were Harald and Knut (Canute) the Great.
The Heimskringla, King Olaf Trygvason's Saga, section 38

At his inheritance feast, with the Jomsborg vikings from Vindland, Svein swore to go to England and kill  King Ethelred (Adalrad)

When his sister Thyre ran from her Polish husband to King Olaf of Norway, Svein's wife, Sigrid convinced Svein to fight Olaf. Svein, King Olaf the Swede, and Earl Eirik, agreed that they should divide Norway among them in three parts, in case they succeeded against King Olaf Trygvason but that whomever boarded his great ship, the Serpent, should have the ship. I ended up to be Earl Eirik.

This was the battle of Svöld, heavily detailed in the The Heimskringla, King Olaf Trygvason's Saga, sections 115-122, who wore what, who hit whom when. The end result was that Olaf went into the water, supposedly remove his mall and was taken back to Vindland, but never seen again. Svein, Olaf of Sweden and Earl Eirik divided up Norway.

Svein focused on England, chasing Ethelred to Valland in the south. or Flanders?

 Regnier III Count of Hainault

Duke of Upper Lorraine. Captured at war with Emperor Otto the Great and died in exile. He was born c. 920 in Brabant. He died in 973. At that time he was in Bohemia, having been captured by Otto the Great; this followed exile imposed by Bruno I, Archbishop of Cologne.

Together with his brother Rodolphe, he took part in the rebellion of his uncle, Gislebert of Lotharingia. When Gislebert was killed, in 939, Regnier had to make submission to Otto.

He then took up with Louis IV d'Outremer, but Otto sent duke Hermann of Swabia to quell the rebels in 944. Otto's nominee as duke of Lotharingia was Conrad the Red; who tried to diminish the power of Regnier.

Conrad then rose against the Emperor, and Regnier had the latter's support. In an anarchic situation, Regnier grabbed territory from the Empire and France. He appropriated the dowry of Queen Gerberge, Otto's sister and mother of the French king. He also took from church property. In the end Bruno of Cologne, who had been nominated duke of Lotharingia, restored some order. After fierce fighting he defeated Regnier, who refued to submit and was exiled.

Reginar IV, Count of Mons was his son, as was Lambert I of Leuven.

Thomas Hale

A Thomas Hale appears on the list of freemen of Mass Bay, Freeman - May 14, 1634 - first grouping (Winthrop pages)

Nathan Halsted

Listed as a freeman from Dedham, Ma 1641 55

Ann Hammond

Per Roy Birch:
Ref: United Genealogist , Orem, Utah : Has Alt Death : 1 Sep. 1685 Barnstable, Mass. and Marr. Date John Lathrop, 14 Jun 1635, Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.

"Mr. John Lothrop, died 8th nov. 1653. Married, first ___: she died 1633. Second, Wid. Ann Hammond, Feb 17, 1636-7. 10

He (John Lothrop) m a second wife, whose name is not in our records, who came here with him, joined the chh. June 14, 1635, and survived him. 2

Ref; Register Report- Hammond, www://, Has Reference to Marriage dates to Timothy Hawkins , and Eliis Barron, and the Children of Hawkins.

This Info so far seems to be correct, conflict with Lathrop info -- More research needed. The Baptized dates of Anna's children by John are correct dates conflict with birth dates of children by Timothy Hawkins.Ref; FTM, Genealogy Library; Bullard and Allied Families Ref; "Lathrop Family Memior" by Julia M. Huntington - Ref; To possibly a daughter of William Hammond, of Watertown.

The Mormon church records have the Rev as marrying Anna Hammond, the daughter of William Hammond and immigrant Elizabeth Paine. Many sources disagree with her lineage, which, if correct, goes through William Hammond b 30 Oct 1575 m Elizabeth Paine, his father Thomas Hammond b 1545, Lavenham m Miss Trippe, his father John b 1500 Melford m Agnes Garrold, and his father John b 1475 Melford England.

Elizabeth's parents were William Paine b 02 Dec 1565 and Ann Neves b 1563 and her father William, his father was William Payne b 1532, his father Thomas Payne b 1500 Boxted, England.

According to the, Lothrop married Hannah House Oct 10, 1610 in England, bore eight children, she died 1633 in England. This would be the wife that was dying while Lothrop was in prison, begging to be allowed to visit her on her deathbed. They state he later married Anna Hammell in 1635, seven children born on the colonies.

Sargeant William Harlowe

Declared freeman in New Plymouth 1643
Declared freeman in New Plymouth 1684
Declared freeman in New Plymouth 1689

A picture of his gravestone is at

On 15 Jul 1658 Mary (Faunce) married Sergeant William Harlow, in Plymouth, MA. Born ca 1624 in prob. England. William died on 25 Aug 1691 in Plymouth, MA. Occupation: cooper. Sources: 5  23

HARLOW, WILLIAM - Savage and Pope were wrong in their treatment of William Harlow and were corrected by George Ernest Bowman, "Sergeant William Harlow of Plymouth and William Harlow of Sandwich Were Not the Same Person," MD 12:193. The William Harlow of Plymouth town died 25 August 1691 in his sixty-seventh year (Ply. Town Recs, 1:202; Ply, Ch. Recs. 1:271), and thus was bom ca. 1624. He was on the 1643 ATBA for Plymouth; he was a grandjuror on 7 June 1653 (PCR 3:32); and he became a freeman on 6 June 1654 (PCR 3:48). In 1656 he was a highway surveyor for Plymouth, and in 1661 he was a constable for Plymouth (PCR 3:100, 215).

He was among those granted land on 3 June 1662 at Taunton (PCR 4:20). By the late 1660s he was known as Sergeant Harlow. On 1 June 1669 Sgt. William Harlow was a selectman for Plymouth (PCR 5:19), and on 15 September 1673 he became a deputy (PCR 5:135).

He married (1) on 20 December 1649 Rebecca Bartlett, daughter Of Robert Bartlett and his wife Mary Warren (daughter of Richard Warren); (2) 15 July 1658 Mary Faunce, daughter of John Faunce; and (3) 25 January 1665/66 Mary Shelley (PCR 8:8, 21, 26). In the settlement of his estate, dated 9 September 1691, his widow is Mary Harlow, and his surviving children are sons Samuel, William, Nathaniel, and Benjamin, and seven unnamed daughters (MD 12:195). On 12 April 1667 Sgt. William Harlow made an agreement with Secretary Nathaniel Morton and his wife Lydia to put out his son Nathaniel Harlow, near two and one-half years old, with the Mortons until he was twenty-one (PCR 5:10). The agreement between Harlow and Morton showed that the Mortons "desired" the child, and it provided that in case Nathaniel Morton died before the child was seven years old, William Harlow would pay 10 pounds to Lydia Morton to help in the maintenance of the child. Nathaniel Morton in his 1685 will gave a young cow and calf to his kinsman Nathaniel Harlow, son of William, and requested his loving kinsman Sgt. William Harlow to be a supervisor of his will (Ply. Colony LR 5:350). The kinship between Harlow and Morton would have been through Harlow's second wife, Mary Faunce, whose mother, Patience Morton, was a sister of Nathaniel Morton, and thus Nathaniel Harlow would have been Nathaniel Morton's nephew. William Harlow's children by his first wife were William, Samuel, Rebecca, and William; by his second wife, Mary, Repentance, John, and Nathaniel; and by his third wife Hannah, Bathsheba, Joanna, Mehitabel, Judith, and Benjamin (MD 12:195). An early article, Theodore P. Adams, "The Harlow Family," NEHGR 14:227, is undocumented and has known errors. The house of William Harlow is still standing in Plymouth and may be visited during the summer; it is said to contain original beams from Plymouth's first meetinghouse-fort, and is known as the "Harlow Old Fort House."
Source: 1

Mayflower Descendant Legacy CD-ROM, Search & Research Pub. Co. Wheat Ridge CO 80033: Sergeant William Harlow of Plymouth had three wives and fourteen children. His first wife was Rebecca Bartlett, daughter of Robert Bartlett and Mary Warren, and granddaughter of Richard Warren of the Mayflower. William Harlow and Rebecca Bartlett were married at Plymouth, 20 December, 1649, had four children born at Plymouth: William, born 5 October, 1650, died 26 October, 1650; Samuel, born 27 January, 1652; Rebecca, born 12 June, 1655; William born 2 June 1657. The date of Rebecca (Bartlett) Harlow's death is unknown, but it must have been between 2 June, 1657, the birth of her last child and 15 July, 1658, when her husband married again. /P/ William Harlow married, second, Mary Faunce, at Plymouth, on 15 July, 1658, and their children, born at Plymouth, were: Mary, born 19 May,1659; Repentance, born 22 November, 1660; John, born 19 October, 1662, and died without issue, before 18 September 1691; Nathaniel, born 30 September 1664; Mary (Faunce) Harlow died at Plymouth, 4 October, 1664. /P/ William Harlow married, third, on 25 January, 1665, Mary Shelley. Their children, all born at Plymouth, were: Hannah, born 28 October, 1666, and died unmarried, at Plymouth, 27 June, 1689; Bathshua, born 21 April, 1667; Joanna, born 24 March, 1669; Mehitable, born 4 October, 1672; Judith born 2 April 1676; Benjamin, whose birth is not recorded, but is proved by the settlement of his father's estate.

Gen Register of Plymouth Families pages 124-9: Harlow, William, appeared a young man in Lynn in 1637. He removed to Sandwich and then to Plymouth, where he m. 1649, Rebecca d of Robert Bartlett. His children were William 1650; Samuel 1652; Rebecca 1655; William again 1657. He m 2d Mary d of John Faunce 1658 & had Mary 1659 m Samuel Durham; Repentance 1660; John 1662; Benjamin; Nathaniel 1664. He m 3rd 1665 Mary d of Robert Shelley of Scituate & had Hannah 1666; Bathsheba 1667 m Richard Sears of Yarmouth 1696; Joanna 1669; Mehitabel 1672; Judith 1676 m (1) Joseph Church (2) Stephen Barnaby. Nathaniel m Abigail Burt; Samuel m Priscilla __ & Hannah __. William son of 1st Wlm m Lydia d of Thomas Cushman & had Elizabeth 1683 m Thomas Doty; Thomas 1686 m Jedidah Churchill; Robert; Isaac; Lydia m Barnabas Churchill; Mary; Rebecca m Jabez Holmes; and William. Robert m Susanna d of John Cole of Plympton. William son of 2nd Wlm married Joanna Jackson.

Pioneers of MA pg 213: Harlow, William, cooper, Sandwich, prop. frm. 3/5/1638-9; frm. 6/6/1654, propr., Rem. to Plymouth. Sergeant. He m. 12/20/1649, Rebecca Bartlett; ch. William b and d. 1650; Samuel b 1/27/1652; Rebecca b. 6/12/1655; William b. 6/2/1657. He m. 2, 7/15/1658 Mary Faunce; ch. Mary b. 19 (..) 1659; Repentance b. 11/22/1660; John b. 10/19/1662; Nathaniel b. 9/30/1664. His wife Mary d. 10/4/1664; he m. 1/20/1665 Mary Shelley; ch. Hannah b. 10/28/1666; Bathshua b. 4/21/1667; Joanna b. 3/24/1669; Mehitabel b. 10/4/1672; Judith b. 8/2/1676. /P/ His est. settled 9/18/1691; division made to four sons, Samuel, William, Nathaniel and Benjamin, and to his seven daughters not names. The widow made oath to the inv. at home, on account of her weakness.

Note: Conflicting info on his son, William. A Joanna, wife of William was admitted to the Plymouth Church Records in 1707.

Married Mary Shelley 25 Jan 1665
Declared freeman of Sandwich 1644
per Plymouth County Records

Sargeant William Harlowe, Corporal William Harlowe, John and a Thomas Harlowe (???) are included in "A List of Captain Warrens Company" by Thomas Morton, which compiles the men in the South Military Company in Plymouth under the command of Captain James Warren in 1699, copied from the original roll in the possession of C. H. Warren in 1858.

Listed as living in Lynn, MA from 1629-1630, Sandwich MA in 1637,  and Portsmouth in 1662.  55

Matthew Hawke

The third town clerk of Hingham, Massachusetts Matthew Hawke. Born in 1610 in England. Matthew died on 11 Dec 1684 in Hingham, MA. Source 17

"Matthew, from Cambridge, Eng., embarked at London with his w. Margaret and servant John Fearing in the ship Diligent of Ipswich, for New Eng., and arrived on the 10th of Aug. 1638. Mrs. Margaret Hawke d. at Hing. 18 March, 1683-84. Matthew d. 11 Dec. 1684, aet., as his gravestone says, 74yrs. Will made Sept. 24 1684. Freeman May 18, 1642; was the third town clerk of Hingl; selectman 1663; also school-master 1679-1683. Resided on Main Street, Hingham Centre." Source 17

Matthew married Margaret Nelson. Margaret died on 18 Mar 1684 in Hingham, MA. Source 17

See NEHGR 143:139.

They had the following children all born Hingham, Plymouth Co., Mass

Elizabeth (4 JUL 1639-1713)
Sarah (1 AUG 1641-1679)
Bethia (21 JAN 1643-)
Mary (2 AUG 1646-1714)
James (27 MAY 1649-1715)
Deborah (22 MAR 1652-1711)
Hannah (22 JUL 1655-1737)

3rd Town Clerk of Hingham MA. Matthew Hawke came to America from London in the ship 'Diligent' of Ipswich, arriving in America on 10 Aug 1638 with his wife Margaret and 'servant' John Fearing. He settled in Hingham, MA, where he was a freeman 18 May 1642 and served at various times as selectman, town clerk and schoolmaster. The children of Matthew and Margaret Hawke were all baptized at Hingham, MA.

Doug Bingham's page at

From Cambridge, England, moved to Hingham, MA 1638 55

John Hawke

Born in England, freeman of Dorchester, MA 1634, settled in Windsor CT 1640. His other son Adam was born in 1608, came to New England with Gov Winthrop to Charlestown, then became a proprietor in Lynn, MA in 1638, ehat is now North Saugus.  55  

Eysteinn Halfdansson

Eystein became king after in Raumarike and Westfold. He was married to Hild, a daughter of Eric Agnarsson, who was king in Westfold. When Eric died, Eystein and his father controlled Westfold.

Eystein plundered the territory of the warlock king Skjold in Varna. As he was leaving the land, Skjold stood on the strand, only able to see Eystein's sails, took off his cloak and waved it through the air and blew into it. As Eystein's ship sailed past Jaris, a wave dashed their boat into another, the other boom hitting and throwing Eystein overboard, killing him. His body was carried into Borre, where a mound was thrown up over it, out towards the sea at Raden, near Vodle.
Heimskringla, Ynglinga Saga, Section 51

Eystein Halfdansson (Old Norse: Eysteinn Hálfdansson) was the son of Halfdan Hvitbeinn of the House of Yngling according to Heimskringla. He lived around 730, and inherited the throne of Romerike and Vestfold.

His wife was Hild, the daughter of the king of Vestfold, Erik Agnarsson. Erik had no son so Eystein inherited Vestfold.

Eystein went to Varna with some ships to pillage and carried away all livestock and other valuables. However, the king of Varna was king Skjöld who was a great warlock. Skjöld arrived at the beach and saw the sails of Eystein's ships. He waved his cloak and blew into it which caused a boom of one ship to swing and hit Eystein so that he fell overboard and drowned. His body was salvaged and buried in a mound. Eystein was inherited by his son Halfdan the Mild.

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Thyra Haraldsdatter

Burizleif, the king of the Vinds, complained that the agreement was broken with King Svein, by which Burizleif was to get in marriage Thyre, Harald's daughter, a sister of King Svein. The marriage had not proceeded, for Thyre had given declined the proposal to marry her to an old and heathen king. Iit was settled that Thyre should have in property the possessions which Queen Gunhild (Svein's wife) had enjoyed in Vindland, besides other great properties as bride-gifts. Thyre wept sorely, and went very unwillingly. Burizleif held his wedding with Queen Thyre, and received her in marriage; bus as long as she was among heathens she would neither eat nor drink with them, and this lasted for seven days.

Thyre ran away, went to Denmark but knew her brother would return her to Vindland, and headed off to King Olaf of Norway. This wedding was held in harvest after the king returned from Halogaland (A.D. 999), and King Olaf and Queen Thyre remained all winter (A.D. 1000) at Nidaros. At Thyre's urging, Olaf visited Vindland in order to obtain her rightful possessions from her previous hubby.  Svein's wife, Sigrid, heard of it and urged Svein to meet Olaf in combat. She hated Olaf from a previous relationship.

The Heimskringla, King Olaf Trygvason's Saga


Olaf made an enemy of Sigrid the Haughty but not marrying her, and did not hesitate to involve himself in a quarrel with King Sweyn I of Denmark by marrying his sister Thyre, who had fled from her heathen husband Burislav in defiance of her brother's authority.

Both his Wendish and his Irish wife had brought Olaf wealth and good fortune, but Thyre was his undoing, for it was on an expedition undertaken in the year 1000 to wrest her lands from Burislav that he was waylaid off the island Svold, near Rügen, by the combined Swedish, Danish and Wendish fleets, together with the ships of Earl Haakon's sons. The Battle of Swold ended in the annihilation of the Norwegians. Olaf fought to the last on his great vessel the "Long Serpent" (Ormen Lange), the mightiest ship in the North, and finally leapt overboard and was seen no more.

Ivar Halfdansson

Halfdan the Old (Old Norse Hálfdanr gamli and Hálfdanr inn gamli) was an ancient, legendary king from whom descended many of the most notable lineages of legend. A second Halfdan the Old is the purported great-grandfather of Ragnvald Eysteinsson.

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Ida Hainault

McBride's Ida, dtr of BAldwin II of Hainhault, has two hubbies, De Couchy and Guy Seigneur de Chievres , neither of them being a de Toeni, yet her birth and death dates are identical to the Ida that married Roger de Toeni. If you look at Roger's wife, her father is Baldwin, yet she only has the one hubby, Roger. I ASSUME this Ida is one in the same.  She is also listed as the daughter of Baldwin III, so we ae not really sure whose daughter she was.